"Zibodiz" (zibodiz1)
08/31/2016 at 16:49 • Filed to: None
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"Zibodiz" (zibodiz1)
08/31/2016 at 16:49 • Filed to: None | 0
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I have a puzzling problem, and I’m not sure where to start for help. Most of my own vehicles have enthusiast groups that run websites where free advice can be had, but this particular vehicle isn’t so lucky; it’s a 2006 Caravan.
I’ve outlined the problem in a youtube video. Any ideas where I should post it? (or heck, might someone here have an idea?)
The Stig's former college room mate
> Zibodiz
08/31/2016 at 17:09 |
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Have you checked for codes? You’ll need a professional scanner, not an OBDII code reader. It looks like you’ve probably got a SKIM failure (Security Key Immobilizer Module). The red dot on the cluster is the security light. The SKIM module plugs into the back of the instrument cluster. It may have been jarred loose in the impact. It may have forgotten the key you’re using (see if it starts with the spare key). Or i may just be fried, because Chrysler electronics during the Daimler reign of terror were garbage and this was fairly common. If it’s toast, grab both keys and tow the sucker to the dealer, because it will have to be programmed after the module is replaced.
Other possible causes, but not as common: Instrument cluster failed. They have been known to send a false tach signal to the PCM. There is a double-crank relay that prevents you from starting an already-running engine. the PCM can erroneously engage that relay if the cluster is bad.
Also, could be the TIPM (Totally Integrated Power Module, i.e. the underhood fusebox). These are basically computers that control certain body functions. More common to fail on trucks, though.
Used instrument clusters and TIPMs are plug and play, provided you get one from an identically-optioned vehicle. Note that the mileage is stored in the cluster so it will be inaccurate if you replace it with a used one. SKIM modules must be programmed to the keys.
ekin000
> Zibodiz
08/31/2016 at 17:13 |
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forum.chryslerminivan.net
Post there in the proper subforum for 06. Good luck
Urambo Tauro
> Zibodiz
08/31/2016 at 17:16 |
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I don’t know what that red dot light is supposed to indicate.
But diagnosing a no-start condition like this needs to start with the battery. And while you’re at it, have a look at the cables and connections, too. Then you can move on to the next item. (Or maybe you’ll get lucky, and the battery was just low?)
Boxer_4
> Zibodiz
08/31/2016 at 17:24 |
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It appears there is a fairly active Chrysler Minivan
forum
, though, it appears The Stig may have a lead for you.
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Zibodiz
> Urambo Tauro
08/31/2016 at 17:51 |
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The battery was drained by the emergency lights runing constantly before we aquired it. I’ve replaced the battery, and the cables look perfect. This is something caused by the collision; the physical condition of this van is spotless, aside from the wreck.
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Zibodiz
> The Stig's former college room mate
08/31/2016 at 17:55 |
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Wow, that is some excellent information, I’m going to have to dig into that. Something I noticed after making the video is that the transmission indicator never shows a box around ‘Park.’ Even if you shift the tranny with the key on, it never indicates which gear/mode you’re in. Does that possibly shed any light on the problem?
Thanks again!
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Zibodiz
> ekin000
08/31/2016 at 17:56 |
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Wow, thanks... I seriously googled for a good 20 minutes and came up with nothing. It’s weird how the web can be so hard to find things some times.
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Zibodiz
> Boxer_4
08/31/2016 at 17:57 |
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That is so weird; that’s exactly what I was looking for, but 20 minutes of googling turned up nothing. Thanks!
Pich, with Z32 now featuring Civic [Si] / No
> Zibodiz
08/31/2016 at 21:34 |
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Reprogram keys, locksmith or dealership, I deal with that at my work as a locksmith, it's due to the dead battery for a long time
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Zibodiz
> Pich, with Z32 now featuring Civic [Si] / No
08/31/2016 at 21:57 |
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That would be an easy fix. Is there any way to know for sure that’s the culprit, before I haul it to a locksmith?
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Pich, with Z32 now featuring Civic [Si] / No
> Zibodiz
08/31/2016 at 22:07 |
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im not sure you’d be able to tell other than with the locksmith specific tool, also do make sure they CAN do it, because Chrysler cars do require a specific Pin to deal with the anti theft system
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The Stig's former college room mate
> Zibodiz
09/01/2016 at 09:42 |
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i might lean towards cluster given that bit of info. But you definitely need to get a scan tool and check codes!
I had a Ram that had intermittent stalling. After the vehicle sat for a bit it would start back up. but right after it stalled, it would do the one-click, no crank issue. When the fault wasn’t present, it had no codes. I finally just let it sit and run until it stalled (took over an hour). Retrieved the code at the time of failure- showed communication lost from CCN (cabin compartment node- what chrysler calls the instrument cluster). Found one of the plugs on the back wasn’t completely seated into the socket and it would work its way loose. clicked it in tight, has run perfect for 4 years since.
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Zibodiz
> The Stig's former college room mate
09/02/2016 at 02:35 |
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I’m not at all familiar with scan tools. From the research I’ve done, it seems like one of those bluetooth OBDII dongles to a smartphone app that reads OBDII, CAN, and “manufacturer specific codes” is similar. Would that probably be adequate, or is there some specific feature I need to look for? This is the one I’m eyeing:
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00…
Thanks again for all of this help.
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The Stig's former college room mate
> Zibodiz
09/02/2016 at 08:14 |
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You’ll need something a little more advanced than that. Those bluetooth OBDII dongles are handy. I have 3 of them, in fact. But they only do engine codes. You need something capable of communicating with the other modules in the vehicle. A professional scan tool can talk to any of the modules in the vehicle (given the correct software is installed) and also has bi-directional control, meaning the scan tool can command the various modules to perform certain functions. This is what I have:
https://www.amazon.com/Genisys-3875-D…
Granted they can be expensive, so if you only need it once, it would be a good idea to find someone in your area that has one and can scan it for you. Maybe there’s a technician at a local garage that you could pay to come scan it?
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Zibodiz
> The Stig's former college room mate
09/02/2016 at 20:45 |
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Awesome, that’s exactly the info I needed. I’ll see what I can come up with. Thank you again!